Ceramic pressure plates for 2WD ball diffs.
Big thanks to Johannes at KB-M.
Reducing rotating mass have always been important, but this has not always been so easy to do with the parts available.
Reflex Racing was early on with their Lightweight spurs, and this sparked the interest of a lot of other manufacturers out there to do something about this.
PN came out with their superb alu lightweight shaft, and QteQ have the insanely good and light diff housings and hub.
Various manufacturers has recently released prebuildt lightweight ball diffs, and these are actually very good products.
But for the ultimate lightweight diff you have to combine a few parts from different manufacturers.
Now onto the review.
The ceramic plates arrived in a small plastic bag.
White in color, they look trick, and the dirt buildup is very easy to spot. Nice!
No sanding necessary, since they are super flat.
I was a bit worried about the fitment, since ceramic are next until impossible to modify without breaking it. I took a pair of QteQ diff housings to testfit, and they were a direct fit. Kyosho housing was also a direct fit.
I have been told that D cut plates also will be available for Atomic and PN diffs.
Measurements Jomurema:
- Thickness: 0,83mm
- Outer diameter: 15,14mm
- Inner diameter: 8,20mm
- Weight pr plate: 0,3 grams
Measurements Kyosho original:
- Thickness: 0,83mm
- Outer diameter: 15,33mm
- Inner diameter: 8,20mm
- Weight pr plate: 0,8 grams
Mounting is easy.
Remember to glue the pressure plates to the diff housings.
I used ceramic balls in my build, but I am not sure if this is the best for these plates.
The feeling of the diff changed a bit, especially if you run some slip in your differential. I guess this is because of ceramic against ceramic. The wear does look to be zero.
I have a feeling that the grease will be very important in diffs built like this. You can change the way the diff "grips" quite a lot with different grease, so do not be afraid to try different manufacturers ball diff grease.
I have always used Kyosho and RC246 ball diff grease in my diffs. This is a grease that contains some kind of filler to grip better.
The action of the diff are extremely smooth. I had to adjust the tension a bit harder than I am used to to get the action to be the same as before. The good part is that it is possible to get the feeling to be almost exactly as with regular pressure plates.
The total weight of my diff is now as stated 4,0 grams. This is insane.
Acceleration and deceleration are improved. I guess this will be very popular in stock class, but also in modified if you like lots of drag brake and the added response.
I am going to try these plates with steel balls also to see if I can spot a difference. This could also affect the wearing rate.
After roughly 3 hours runtime, mine has started to show signs of a groove. (More of a polished look really) It looks to be as other plates regarding wear. Only time will tell if they are better or worse.
All in all. If you are trying to build the lightest diff out there, these plates are a must. I love them already :D
This is my part list for my (for now) ultimate differential:
QteQ Ultra light weight differential housing set. QT-081101
QteQ Light weight differential left hub. QT-080801
Reflex Racing 64 pitch Machined spur. RX1154
Reflex Racing High grade diff center bearing. RX1157Reflex Racing High grade ceramic thrust bearing. RX1137
Reflex Racing ceramic differential balls. RX1119
Jomurema Carbon diff shaft. JOM280001
Jomurema Ceramic Pressure plates. JOM280002(Prototype parts)
QteQ Light weight differential left hub. QT-080801
Reflex Racing 64 pitch Machined spur. RX1154
Reflex Racing High grade diff center bearing. RX1157Reflex Racing High grade ceramic thrust bearing. RX1137
Reflex Racing ceramic differential balls. RX1119
Jomurema Carbon diff shaft. JOM280001
Jomurema Ceramic Pressure plates. JOM280002(Prototype parts)
RUNE - When will these ceramic diff plates become available? You mentioned they are prototype??? Thanks for all the info! Your breaking-down of all the info and data is great, and best of all, you provide really nice photos of your cars! ;)
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Thanks Felix!
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I think they will be available soon, but I don't know when. I have just been testing these for them ( and hopefully more products in the future)
I will ask them if they have an expected date for the first production batch.
The first protos arrived at KB-M Austria on monday. I got them here on thursday, so this is as fresh as can be :-)
These ceramic diff plates are cool and I like the idea and I will so tempted to buy when they become available, but I wonder if steel is best for ball diff pressure plates... Maybe someone will make titanium plates so we can have steel-alloy but with weight benefits and satisfy us Mini-Z guys who have-to-have exotic materials... ;D
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ReplyDeleteThey hold up real nice, and I have experienced a bit with different type of balls.
Ceramic balls make for very little grip between the balls and the plates. This makes it a bit hard to adjust, but once you get it right they really do work great.
The best thing about them are the weight difference.
Very cool, but I don't even want to know how much these will cost... qteq stuff is already an arm and a leg...
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